I lost a friend last weekend. The following is the reason why. He identifies as progressive, but after reading this instant message it will be apparent why he is not. I've changed his screenname because I'm nice like that, and some names have been eliminated, but everything else is as it was written (including typos...). I've put some commentary in there, as well, because without the pretty colors and formatting and actually watching the conversation unfold (timestamps are only useful if you're willing to take the time to read them), AIM conversations can get kind of confusing.
Ex-Friend (1:44:17 AM): Stupid Comedy Central and their constant nighttime Girls Gone Wild commercials
Llencelynn (1:44:26 AM): oh no kidding
Llencelynn (1:44:41 AM): especially ridiculous next to Colbert, an avowed feminist
Ex-Friend (1:44:44 AM): Oh... Man vs. Wild is on
Llencelynn (1:44:45 AM): *flips off comedy central*
Llencelynn (1:44:58 AM): my tv actually isn't plugged in right now
Ex-Friend (1:45:00 AM): hey... no one forced them to take their clothes off.
(I got pissed, here, and started looking for anything I could find online to help me explain just how ridiculous that statement was.)
Llencelynn (1:45:02 AM): and i'm too lazy to set it all back up
Ex-Friend (1:45:23 AM): but I still get sick of seeing it
Llencelynn (1:48:31 AM): i'm looking for a link
Llencelynn (1:58:43 AM):
This isn't directly about Girls Gone Wild, but it applies, and is why GGW is a feminist issue.
Llencelynn (1:59:06 AM): And I won't even start in on all the evidence pointing towards how often the GGW performances are coerced.
Ex-Friend (2:01:14 AM): I'm sure they are coerced and egged on but in the end they have the right to walk away and say no and not sign the release waiver
Ex-Friend (2:01:23 AM): but they choose not to.
Llencelynn (2:02:11 AM): That doesn't make it right.
Llencelynn (2:02:14 AM): Read the link.
Ex-Friend (2:03:27 AM): Hey, just because people are stupid doesn't make it right for other people to take advantage of them in general.
Ex-Friend (2:03:41 AM): but people do it anyway
(Here, just for clarification, I am quoting back at him how this conversation started.)
Llencelynn (2:04:20 AM): "Ex-Friend (1:44:17 AM): Stupid Comedy Central and their constant nighttime Girls Gone Wild commercials
Llencelynn (1:44:26 AM): oh no kidding
Llencelynn (1:44:41 AM): especially ridiculous next to Colbert, an avowed feminist
Ex-Friend (1:45:00 AM): hey... no one forced them to take their clothes off."
Llencelynn (2:04:31 AM): the point was not whether they were forced or not
Llencelynn (2:04:36 AM): but whether GGW is a feminist issue
Llencelynn (2:04:37 AM): it is
Ex-Friend (2:04:41 AM): No it's not.
Llencelynn (2:04:48 AM): did you read the link?
Ex-Friend (2:04:58 AM): exploitation, unfair treatment, those are feminist issues
Llencelynn (2:04:59 AM): it is SO a feminist issue!
Ex-Friend (2:05:19 AM): stupid girls flashing their tits, those are just stupid people being stupid
Ex-Friend (2:05:30 AM): I just get annoyed with seeing it all the time
Llencelynn (2:05:38 AM): are you going to read that link or not?
Ex-Friend (2:05:42 AM): just like I get annoyed with seeing Cops
Llencelynn (2:05:56 AM): oh, and thanks, by the way, for decided i'm wrong about it being a feminist issue without anything to back up that statement.
Llencelynn (2:06:03 AM): at least i'm trying to show you why i believe it's a feminist issue
Ex-Friend (2:07:18 AM):
I don't need to, I've read plenty of these articles bitching about how people are making this stuff and exploiting women. Guess what, those people aren't forced to do it. you want shit like that to stop then convince every woman in the US not to take their clothes off to make a quick buck. Good luck doing that though cuz people are always looking for the easy out and they almost always are going to take it.
Ex-Friend (2:09:30 AM): Now, I don't agree with the videos, nor do I like them, nor will I ever own one (unlike your boyfriend) but I don't blame the people making them for the fact that these stupid chicks are willing to take their clothes off for a little bit of money.
Llencelynn (2:09:31 AM): Doing homework.
Llencelynn (2:11:00 AM): Thanks for the potshot at [beloved]. I'm not trying to bash the people making the videos, the people appearing in them, or the people owning them.
Llencelynn (2:11:05 AM): I'm saying it's a feminist issue.
Llencelynn (2:11:08 AM): Period.
Ex-Friend (2:12:19 AM): feminists always blame "the system" though. Sure, sometimes the system is to blame but even when it's not they still do.
Llencelynn (2:12:46 AM): Oh, I always blame the system? Good to know...
Ex-Friend (2:13:38 AM): pretty much every feminist opinion I've ever listened to or read has.
Llencelynn (2:14:11 AM): Which feminist opinions have you read?
Ex-Friend (2:14:58 AM): none in a couple years. I've gotten sick of reading them.
Ex-Friend (2:15:19 AM): Ever listened to George Carlins rant about feminism?
Llencelynn (2:15:26 AM): Nope.
Ex-Friend (2:15:31 AM): if not. you should go listen to it because that's pretty much how I feel about it.
Llencelynn (2:15:52 AM): I've gotten sick of hearing white straight dudes' opinions of feminism.
Ex-Friend (2:17:47 AM): Carlin isn't exactly your average white straight dude.
Llencelynn (2:18:53 AM): I've rarely been impressed with him.
Ex-Friend (2:19:01 AM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD5L2CxRMG4
Llencelynn (2:19:40 AM): "I don't need to, I've read plenty of these articles bitching about how [feminists are wrong]."
Ex-Friend (2:19:55 AM): he agrees with a lot of feminist ideology
Ex-Friend (2:20:07 AM): but then just points out a few things where they take it too far.
Llencelynn (2:20:12 AM): They always do.
Ex-Friend (2:20:20 AM): because guess what, they DO take it too far. Just like everyone else.
Ex-Friend (2:20:41 AM): Just because a feminist says its right doesn't make it any more right than when anyone else says something is right.
Llencelynn (2:20:41 AM): Just like white straight dudes who just want their misanthropic behavior to continue unabated.
Ex-Friend (2:26:51 AM): You know what... this is what makes me really sick... When I see a woman who says shes a feminist and wants equal rights but still expects their boyfriend to take them out on a regular basis, and hold the door open for them and pull out their chair and pay for everything. This is where the feminist train ALWAYS derails for me. Basically every one I have ever met want to be equal... EXCEPT where they have the advantage already, that they don't want to change at all. The day I meet the feminist that wants REAL equality where I don't have to treat them like a little fucking princess (outside of the work world of course) is the day that I'll admit that A feminist has it right. Until that day, feminists are no better to me than any other special interest group trying to get themselves pampered more than everyone else.
Llencelynn (2:28:05 AM): Which just goes to show that you don't read any feminist anything ever. Or even anything I say.
Ex-Friend (2:29:01 AM): People can write anything. I don't buy it because of what I've actually seen in real life. People talk the talk but they NEVER fucking walk the walk.
Ex-Friend (2:29:37 AM): I've never seen a feminist taking her boyfriend out and paying for everything. EVER.
Llencelynn (2:29:45 AM): HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Llencelynn (2:29:49 AM): <--feminist
Llencelynn (2:29:54 AM): <--does all that shit all the fucking time
Llencelynn (2:29:57 AM): or did, when i had money
Llencelynn (2:30:06 AM): now i don't have to take anyone out
Llencelynn (2:30:43 AM): And how many people do you actually know who self-identify as feminists?
Ex-Friend (2:30:46 AM): Well good for you. I've not exactly ever been in your personal life.
Llencelynn (2:31:03 AM): I know a number I can count on my fingers.
Ex-Friend (2:31:16 AM): A fair amount from Saginaw
Llencelynn (2:31:50 AM): [list of 9 names taken out for privacy]
Llencelynn (2:31:52 AM): that's about it
Ex-Friend (2:31:59 AM): Including [so-and-so] that fucking bitch who used me to get money to fix her car and has now disappeared and I've not seen it back.
Ex-Friend (2:33:32 AM): Who was telling me she liked me while she was sleeping with my friend and mooching off both of us, spending all her money on pot instead of repaying her debts goddamn it AGHHHH she's lucky I don't know where she skipped town to.
That's where the conversation ended. I know this is long, but... GRRR. I don't ever want to speak to him again. I could not believe how he just waltzed over everything I said, negated my existence, my experiences, and my opinions. He's a fucking asshole, and I will never watch that Carlin video, out of pure spite. ^_^